"area man" (hurrburgring)
02/25/2015 at 14:34 • Filed to: None
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"area man" (hurrburgring)
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Maybe you're a moron or something, I dunno.
OPPOsaurus WRX
> area man
02/25/2015 at 14:37 |
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thats the special edition model as well right?
Milky
> area man
02/25/2015 at 14:39 |
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Its a Wrangler with IFS …. I'd just get a Wrangler.
PowderHound
> OPPOsaurus WRX
02/25/2015 at 14:39 |
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Think so. My co-worker has one and it is awesome!
Viggen
> area man
02/25/2015 at 14:45 |
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FJs are cool, but I think I'd rather have a JK Rubi.
Textured Soy Protein
> Milky
02/25/2015 at 14:46 |
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The FJ (with the manual transmission) has 3 Torsen differentials—the center and rear can lock.
The Wrangler has no center differential, just a locking transfer case, plus open front rear & rear diffs (with lockers lockers on the Rubicon).
That's enough of a difference that one or the other may work better for a given person's criteria.
If it were me, I'd take the FJ for the 3 LSDs.
Sweet Trav
> area man
02/25/2015 at 14:49 |
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Maybe, I have taste.
WiscoProud
> area man
02/25/2015 at 14:52 |
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I almost bought one before I got my Xterra before I realized how terrible the visibility is. Still like the look of them though.
Nobi
> Sweet Trav
02/25/2015 at 14:52 |
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As long as this has the 5.3, then yes, I agree with you.
MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> area man
02/25/2015 at 14:53 |
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At least it has a body color roof, but they still don't work for me.
Maybe its the c pillar the size of a small car
HammerheadFistpunch
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:01 |
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I don't like it. maybe I like to see out of my car, maybe I prefer function over fashion, maybe a plastic caricature of an honest and loved vehicle offends me a little. Maybe I could just buy a 4Runner and and only miss out on the manual while getting back a much more practical vehicle for roughly the same price. I think its mostly because the people that made it could care less about all the things that made the FJ great and instead phoned it in. I mean it wasn't even designed by Toyota, instead the design was from a contest of teens and young adults. Capable? yes, Reliable? yes. Solid? yes. GREAT resale? yes. Half Assed? No question.
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:01 |
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Unlike the Jeep, guaranteed to get you there. Not because it's more capable than the Jeep, it just won't break down as often.
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area man
> Sweet Trav
02/25/2015 at 15:06 |
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I am not ashamed to admit I have driven an H2 and enjoyed it.
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area man
> OPPOsaurus WRX
02/25/2015 at 15:06 |
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i believe so
cazzyodo
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:07 |
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Fuck this thing in particular.
The FJ just works for me...guilty pleasure.
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area man
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
02/25/2015 at 15:07 |
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I agree that the white roof is a bit silly
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Textured Soy Protein
02/25/2015 at 15:08 |
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No, the FJ with manual has max of 1 Torsen. If you get the manual you get a locking torsen in the full time transfer case. but you get open front and rear diffs. In the 4x2 you get a standard LSD that (as far as i can tell) isn't a torsen.
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area man
> Viggen
02/25/2015 at 15:08 |
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I rather have a TJ than either of those
nermal
> Textured Soy Protein
02/25/2015 at 15:09 |
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I'd take a hybrid - The Toyota drivetrain, with the Jeep body, but not made by Chrysler.
That way you get the best parts of both, with none of the downsides.
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area man
> WiscoProud
02/25/2015 at 15:09 |
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I've never driven one so I can't comment on the visibility, but I love the design with a body-colored roof.
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OPPOsaurus WRX
> PowderHound
02/25/2015 at 15:10 |
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I think the special edition has the color match roof and a unique color for each year.
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Milky
> Textured Soy Protein
02/25/2015 at 15:15 |
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But convertible …. and like you said the rubicon exists …. and removable doors …. and a solid front axle ….
Sejji
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:22 |
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I've been price shopping used ones recently. Honestly, they hold their value so well it feels ridiculous to only pay 10,000$ under msrp for a 4 year old car with 80,000 miles on it. Even then, it would be a screaming deal compared to the avg prices.
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area man
> Sejji
02/25/2015 at 15:25 |
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and I bet they will continue to hold their value. Toyotas new TRD models just don't have the same appeal to the off road crowd.
WhiskeyGolf
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:28 |
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I've always liked these. I can't decide if I want to get a pickup or FJ one day...
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WiscoProud
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:28 |
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Same here. I was looking at a TRD decked out version in dark green, almost BRG. It was gorgeous. Then I realized I couldn't see shit out the back or sides. Kinda depressing overall.
thebigbossyboss
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:34 |
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I respect the FJ crusier for having not one, not two but three tiny front wipers. Like an old triumph or something.
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area man
> thebigbossyboss
02/25/2015 at 15:35 |
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yes! one of it's many endearing oddities.
TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts.
> area man
02/25/2015 at 15:49 |
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Meh, there are so many better options out there.
FJ 80's
Discoveries:
Wranglers:
Taco's
What they all have in common? You can actually see shit around you outside.
Vicente Esteve
> area man
02/25/2015 at 16:09 |
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The only thing I hope for is that its used for its intended purpose.
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Textured Soy Protein
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/25/2015 at 16:35 |
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I've been working off the assumption that the Wikipedia page is correct. It says:
Four-wheel drive models equipped with the RA61F manual transmission have a full-time 4WD system that is permanently engaged; it employs front, center and rear TORSEN differentials, with a locking feature and distributes the engine's power 40:60 under most driving conditions. The TORSEN unit varies power distribution as needed, based on steering angle and wheel slippage. In the Lock position, the differential switches to 50:50 power distribution.
There's a citation, but it's to this book , which I don't have, and I can't confirm the info anywhere else.
I did find this press release , but it never specifically mentions the front or rear Torsen diffs. Selected info:
The FJ Cruiser's two-speed transfer case (with a 2.566 low range) is the same full-time four-wheel-drive transfer case used in the V6-powered 4x4 4Runner. In manual-transmission models, the transfer case uses a TORSEN® limited-slip center differential with a locking feature and distributes the engine's power 40:60 under most driving conditions. The TORSEN unit varies power distribution as needed, based on steering angle and wheel slippage. In the Lock position, the differential switches to 50:50 power distribution.
That's a lot of the same language as the Wikipedia page, but no mention of the front or rear diffs.
An electronic locking rear differential with an eight-inch ring gear is available.
So there is a rear locker.
The 4x2 FJ Cruiser comes standard with a virtual automatic limited-slip differential, provided and operated by an advanced traction-control system to enhance traction of both rear wheels in slippery driving conditions
So...basically traction control.
Dangit, stupid Wikipedia page with extraneous info! Here I thought the 6-speed FJ was a mythical 3-LSD beast.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Textured Soy Protein
02/25/2015 at 16:37 |
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Would be sweet, but tis not so. Still, with the center torsen locked, the rear diff locked and Atrac on, its pretty formidable, plus the torsen unlocked and trac would get you where you needed to go in the snow.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Textured Soy Protein
02/25/2015 at 16:40 |
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Some more interesting reading, comparing the FJ rear and front 8 inch to the Land cruiser 9.5 inch
http://www.ih8mud.com/tech-articles/…
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Textured Soy Protein
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/25/2015 at 17:45 |
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Yeah, having 3 LSDs isn't an absolute requirement just to be good in snow. I mean, my old WJ with just a center LSD (hydraulic gerotor type), open F/R diffs, and Uniroyal Laredo Cross Country all-season tires was pretty damn solid in the snow with the center unlocked. My 3-LSD WK with General Grabber AT2s is a few notches better. But probably significant overkill for my needs.
As far as I know...
3 LSDs w/ center locker
'99-'10 Jeep Grand Cherokee w/ Quadra-Drive
'06-'10 Jeep Commander w/ Quadra-Drive
3 LSDs (no lockers)
Mitsubishi Evo
Subaru STi
2 LSDs (center + rear) + center locker
Jeep Grand Cherokee WK2 w/ Quadra-Drive
Assorted GM pickups & SUVs
'01-'02 Mitsubishi Montero Limited
'02-'04 Montero Sport with the optional rear LSD
2 LSDs (center + rear), no lockers
Assorted turbo non-STi Subarus
Nissan GTR
Audi V8 Quattro
Assorted other Audis w/ the sport rear differential
BMW E30 325iX
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205
Porsche 964 C4
Saab 9-3 XWD & Mazdaspeed 6 sorta kinda except they have Haldex for the center "diff"
Center LSD + 3 lockers
Mercedes G-Wagen
Toyota Land Cruiser 80 / Lexus LX450 (with optional front/rear lockers)
Center LSD + center/rear lockers
'99-'00 4Runner Limited (with optional rear locker)
'95-'00 Mitsubishi Montero SR/Winter Package
Toyota FJ Cruiser 6-speed (with optional rear locker)
'09 Toyota 4Runner Trail
'98-'99 Toyota Land Cruiser 100 / Lexus LX470 (with optional rear locker)
Mercedes W124 4Matic
Phew!
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HammerheadFistpunch
> Textured Soy Protein
02/25/2015 at 17:46 |
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Thats a helluva list, Phew is right.